It was an eventful day at the Ravalli County Fair again this year (as eventful as a county fair ever is). My wife, daughter, and I made the usual stops. We visited the animals and got some nice video of the young one meeting goats, sheep, and cows. We made a stop by the petting zoo and witnessed a toddler nearly drown a chicken in a water trough. I guess chickens don't float (perhaps she felt this one needed to learn how to swim)! No worries though, the chicken was saved by the mindful attendant and the child received some animal justice as only a goat can dispense. After being released following the chicken incident, the toddler ran over and slapped the goat in the face, and doe, needing no assistance, turned and head butted the young child in the middle of the chest nearly knocking her off her feet. Again, no worries, all three, chicken, goat, and toddler suffered no physical or psychological trauma and no tears were shed. I just wish I had gotten the entire event on camera.
Next, we met some friends and had a sampling of fair food. We shared steak kabobs, fries, and a reuben. To put a cap on the evening, for dessert, my wife and daughter gorged on a funnel cake until they were both sick to their stomachs (deep fried dough has a way of doing that).
My wife volunteered to man a booth at the fair this year. So, while she worked I checked out the commercial building. The commercial building houses salesmen, local political groups, and activists. I took a quick swing through to see which booths required closer inspection and then made my return trip. My first stop was the Right to Life booth.
Right to Life
For those who don’t know, I have been participating in a conversation over at The Great Abortion Debate and wanted to get a first hand impression of some Pro-Life supporters. The booth was manned by three sweet soft spoken ladies. They were so soft spoken that I was forced to lean far over their table to hear them over the noise of the building. I asked them where the money went that their organization raised. They answered that the majority went to pay for cribs and supplies for new mothers that were financially strapped. “Good deal!” I thought. I asked what percentage of their money went to lobbying efforts and they said that none of the money raised locally went directly for lobbying, but that they did contribute to organizations at the state and federal level that did support efforts to overturn Roe v. Wade. “Not so hot,” I said to myself. I asked if any of the raised funds went towards education and preventive methods such as birth control. They declined to answer that question which I can only assume meant, “No.” By not doing this, the group is not fully addressing the issue of reducing unwanted pregnancies.
Whilst talking, I scanned the brochures and information in their booth. I took exception to the way in which the booth was adorned. Let me explain. I expected the pictures of aborted fetuses, plastic fetuses representing the different stages of development, and the Pro-Life propaganda displayed merely to inspire an emotional reaction, but I think it misrepresented the woman I was speaking to. The booth broadcast a message of single-minded non compromising ideals, none of the qualities I found in these three women during our brief meeting. I found the ladies’ conversation and non confrontational approach very agreeable despite our obvious differences on legalized abortion. I felt if we talked longer we would have discovered more common ground. So, I left with a mixed message,… as well as with a “Life is Precious” balloon, though that might have had something to do with the outspoken little girl standing next to me pointing and crying “ba-oon, ba-oon.”
The Right to Life booth was overall a positive experience despite our differences over abortion rights. I can't say as much about my discussions with the ladies manning the anti-zoning booths, but that conversation will have to wait until tomorrow.
15 comments:
Not sure where your anti-abortion stance is coming from. Good thing your mother didn't have second thoughts, huh?
oops - did I say "anti" abortion stance - meant "pro" abortion stance. Guess it was one of those mental brain ---- that happen to us old folks.
Ahh Mom, always good to hear from you (way to try and hide your identity).
Let me just make a correction. It's "Pro-Choice" not "Pro-abortion." No one is advocating for abortion, just simply trying to prevent the criminalization of abortion. You sound a little like Stephanie over at "The Great Abortion Debate" when you say things like that.
Don't worry about the slip-up. Brains tend to get smoother as we age. Try and do a few more crosswords.
It's amazing how we woman can stand up and decide to terminate our un-born children for our own selfish reasons. It's easy for you men to stand up and say "Yeah! Go for it! Do what you want!" when you don't have to really deal with it at all.
Those same sweet woman helped me out when I had my child. I feared I would have to give her up and yet those sweet pro-lifers gave me supplies and even helped my husband get a job so that we would be able to raise our child. They showed us that there is always other options to killing off an innocent child.
I'm very thankful your mother didn't have second thoughts but don't you ever stop and wonder what if? If your mother had not wanted her pregnancy would you have supported her decision to end it? You would not be here you know. Sure it's nice we woman can control our bodies but come on here, there are more better arguments out there than that.
Oh and you should know that now I am a proud home owner with two fully paid cars and a wonderful family. No longer homeless, un-educated (am attending college as well as working part-time) and have bettered my life since. I donate monthly to the Pro-lifers
as they come from my church and I would never change a thing in my life.
I can never again have children of my own so it kills me to know people like you are out there encouraging mothers who are lazy and selfish to keep having sex but just kill off their babies when they find themselves pregnant. If you get an abortion, tie your tubes as well because one abortion isn't going to stop that person from doing the methods of creating another child. That my friend, is my argument AGAINST abortion.
To Anonymous:
I'm glad you have your life in order. Congrats.
But I think you are misinformed. The Pro-Choice stance does not encourage any woman to have an abortion. You can argue that it empowers a woman (by offering choice), but you can't say it encourages abortion.
You are correct that it is for selfish reasons that some woman have an abortion (and those reasons must be addressed), but it is for selfish reasons that Pro-Life supporters wish to criminalize abortion also. Maybe it's religiously motivated or possibly emotionally, but the fact is that Pro-Lifers want the power to make that decision for EVERY woman (and man).
I popped over here from the Great Abortion Debate, and I'd like to respond to your last comment Mr. Woods.
Pro-lifers (myself, included) do not want to make the decision that for every person. We want to show that when you have sex and end up pregnant, you have already made your choice. If you did not want a child, you should either not have had sex in the first place or done more to prevent the pregnancy. I know that birth control methods fail, but that is the inherent risk in using those methods. There is one very effective method of birth control: abstinence. Of course, most of our society tosses that aside as a relic of an older, more restrictive time. I, however, am 21 and was a virgin until I married. All of my friends, who did not keep such convictions, now wish they had, married or not, religious or not. If that attitude was more widely shared, we might not have any of this trouble (a pipedream, I know).
Two last points:
1)You haven't responded to the question of your mother having second thoughts. If she left it in jest, I'm sure anonymous didn't.
2)Evil wins when good men stand aside and do nothing. Or, perhaps, when they do not recognize the evil at all.
K8E-
"Pro-lifers (myself, included) do not want to make the decision... for every person."
So, Pro-Lifers are not out to criminalize abortion? Good to know. ...Thus ends The Great Abortion Debate.
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K8E, thank you for your testimonial and thank you for stopping by The Debate. I'm glad abstinence was the answer for you.
To answer your last two points:
1. What would you think if your mother terminated your pregnancy? That's right... You wouldn't, because you don't exist.
My mother and I may not agree on everything (don't assume abortion is one of them), but we share a sense of humour, something anonymous lacks in this case. It's good of you to try and defend anonymous, but she brought up my mother's comment because she was making an emotional argument. Best to use reason and check emotions at the door if you are trying to make a point.
2. Yes, you and I had best sit down and hash out what is "good" and what is "evil". Like many things in life, things aren't often as black and white as seen through a child's eye. Perceived "evil" is often in the eye of the beholder.
Mr. Woods,
I find it amusing that you twisted the meaning of my words to suit your own purpose. I believe the use of semantics and psycholinguistics in this way is why pro-lifers and pro-choicers are at such loggerheads. Frankly, the way you did that pissed me off, because we both know that's not what I meant.
You still have not answered the question: are you glad to be alive or not? Whether the question is emotionally based or not, it's still a valid point.
I also believe that you may be laboring under the impression that I see the world in black and white, and perhaps a very few shades of grey, because I am so young. Let me assure you however, that I struggle with the issues of what is good and what is evil everyday, and most often come up with some shade or other of grey. However, the murder of a child or any other human is always evil. I've never been presented with a good case for purposely killing another human, which is what abortion does. Every woman takes the chance of becoming a mother when she has sex. The act was her choice, what comes after should be a no-brainer. If we are to respect human life, all forms must be respected and given a chance to live.
http://www.abortionno.org/
Go there. Learn something. There are 42 million abortions yearly sir. 42 MILLION! "Hey, I got knocked up." "Oh well just go get an abortion, it's the newest rage!" Give me a break. K8E, you are amazing and if only ALL pro-lifers were like you I'd be happy to know some. If a woman's life were in danger and abortion were the only option, I'm for it. To save a life sometimes one must sacrifice a life. If you got pregnant for the 4th time and are gonna go pop into the local abortion clinic to rid yourself of this "problem" like you did the last three times, I hope you burn in hell. Abortion is for greedy, selfish people and it's murder. Nothing else. Fight it all you want but you can only live in denial for so long. Get over yourself Frank. Go do us all a favor and check out that site. Watch the videos, check out the info and pictures and then tell us in your fancy blog how you feel about that! But I caution you, it's graphic and not for the weak hearted...Oh but that wouldn't be you would it...Murderer.
I have to chime in. Cool your jets anonymous. No need to start name-calling in such a serious tone.
I think pro-life and pro-choice viewpoints are in agreement in the fact that what we should first be doing is educating young women on practicing safe sex. Attacking the problem at the source is always the best solution. This links to your comment about women having multiple abortions.
You also mentioned that if the life of the mother is in danger then abortion is acceptable in that case. However, you end your comment with calling a pro-choice advocate (i.e. Mr. Woods) a murderer. Your statements are contradictory. Either you are for abortion in certain instances or you're completely against it.
Here's the bottom line. As someone who believes in giving women a choice in this matter, I also believe in (as I mentioned above) in teaching our children to practice responsible behavior. No one is promoting abortion as an excuse to be irresponsible and promiscuous. However, in certain circumstances, it should be an option and a right for women.
Only in cases where the mother's life is in danger should she be allowed to have a choice is my feeling. Tubal pregnancies, heart issues (yes those do exist and do get worse with pregnancy...) things like that can be a cause for abortion. Those are my only exceptions. They may be "contradictory" but they are my beliefs. Simple as well. The way Francis talks, he's encouraging women to have abortions. That's why I'm not so keen on his views. That's all.
Anonymous-
"I hope you burn in hell. Abortion is for greedy, selfish people and it's murder. Nothing else. Fight it all you want but you can only live in denial for so long. Get over yourself Frank. ...and then tell us in your fancy blog how you feel about that! But I caution you, it's graphic and not for the weak hearted...Oh but that wouldn't be you would it...Murderer."
Your string of reasoning is impeccable. I really don't need to say any more.
You misquoted me by the way. Can you ever win a debate by not twisting words? It seems like that's the only way you do debate over things...
Anonymous-
Debates are exchanges of ideas between calm rational people. Mud-slinging and idle threats do not constitute a discussion, let alone a debate. That was my point ("..." means words have been omitted). I shouldn't have to spell this out. But for you, I will make an exception.
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